Mersey Reporter & Southport Reporter - Online Newspaper - News Report Page. Southport Reporter (R) Online Nespaper for Merseyside

Read our Tracking & Cookie Usage Policy

 

Terms and Conditions

Southport and  Mersey Reporter -  Your free online newspaper service covering the Merseyside region - (Greater Liverpool).
Covering the news in and around Merseyside

MERSEY REPORTER

Click on here to email our news room today!

Email

 

 
Your free online newspaper for Merseyside
   
This website is licence to carry news from Vamphire.com and UK Press Photography.

  RSS

 

Latest Edition

Archive

Shop

Order Photos  Help Client Admin Advert Options

Updated news stories weekly.  Published online only late every Thursday Evening.

Your online newspaper.   Your words.

Issue:- 8 May 2014

Derek Baxter from FRAGOFF said:- "I handled the original complaint about this issue last year. The road where the signs and gate have appeared is not a Public Right of Way for Vehicles or pedestrians; its status is that of a Permissive Path, that is to say that pedestrians may use it because the Land Owner consents to it. Although the route appears on the Ordinance Survey Maps as a National "way" for it to be a Public footpath it has to appear on the Definitive Map for the area, a copy of which can be viewed by contacting the Council, however this path isn't on it! If the land owner ever withdrew permission to walk down St Luke’s Church Rd or indeed Alexandra Rd or Albert Rd, I have a strong suspicion the Ramblers organisation or Local Authority would step in to secure them as a public right of way, however this would be expensive, so unless pedestrian access is contested, things are likely to stay as they are."

Derek Baxter also added:- "The "No Trespassing" signs have sprung up around the site of Firwood House. This plot of land is privately owned and was granted Planning permission for a large house about a year or so ago. There is a well established path that runs through this land which has been walked for many years by myself and amongst others and at this time of year the route is surrounded by bluebells, some of the locals call it the 'Bluebell Woods'. This route is not part of the permissive right of way and is quite clearly on private land. This doesn't prevent residents from applying to have it recognised as a right of way but makes the process a whole lot more difficult. For a start this bit of path doesn't start on a public right way and doesn't end on a public right of way, once again this would not prevent it from becoming a Public right of Way but it does make matters more tricky. The final consideration in trying to get access to the route though Bluebell Woods is this, Developers apply and succeed in having public footpaths diverted all the time, so even if you did manage to claim the path as a public Right of Way there is a very good chance that the landowner would apply for and get a Diversion Order. I hope that makes sense?"

Incidentally, as many have pointed out, for over at least 30 years local people, and visitors, have been walking and running along those paths.

Sefton Council have also replied accordingly to our email. Brian Goodwin, Senior Assistant Engineer - Public Rights of Way and Cycling Highways Development Control, for Sefton Council told us that:- "The South Section of St Luke’s Church Road is a private road and not public highway. It is the Authority’s understanding that there have been signs at the entrance to St. Luke’s Church Road, for many years, stating that it is a private road. The gate and the new signage, that were erected last year, were probably undertaken by the owner of the land and that it was done so as to clarify the fact that it is a private road."

He also added that:- "The Council is unable to comment upon the appropriateness of the content/wording of the current signs as they are sited upon and refer to access and use of this private road. Similarly, it would not be appropriate for the Council to comment upon whether these signs should be complied with or about entitlement to drive along, park or use this road. Furthermore, The Council does not have the authority to permit or protect public vehicular use of the private section of St Lukes Church Road."

Brian Goodwin responded that:- "Albert Road and Alexandra Road are owned by the Council. However, they are not public highway and the public does not have a vehicular right to use them." This part we are now getting clarified, due to the 'Private Property'  signs being placed on them.

He went in his email to say:- "Within Formby, an Order has recently been made to reduce the speed limit to 20mph on numerous roads. As the order relates to public roads Albert and Alexandra Road were not included in the Order and are not subject to the restriction. Unfortunately, it appears that the contractor has erected repeater signs in these two roads in error. The Council has instructed the Contractor to remove these signs and set them aside for future use elsewhere. In regards to St Luke’s Church Road, the Order includes the full length of St Luke’s Church Road however, only the section between Busbys Lane and Kirklake Road is adopted highway, therefore, the Order will be duly amended and the signage will be removed. I trust this helps clarify the situation"

For the most part we at Southport Reporter feel that this has clarified the situation and thank all parties who have replied to our requests, but we will continue to ask for any outstanding issues which you raised, to be addressed. For example, we think that as we asked so many questions, the fact that some of the signs being on 'Council Land' might have been missed or confused with the question about the 20mph signs.

One thing is for certain, Formby Hall Investments, known now as McComb Property Company Ltd. according to Company Check, has a good record in Formby for helping the community, so we do not think it is likely that there are any dark forces at work, but we can see why people are thinking that. Also, we are not positive that it was Formby Hall Investments who added the signs, as they are not marked. The only thing we can be certain of is that they look the same as the ones on their land. It could easily be, as with Sefton's contractors that the Private Property' signs have been erected in error..

We will let you know more as and when we get it.

 

Examples of the locations of odd signage on areas that are meant to be Sefton Property:-

Click on to see google maps.

Please email us your views on these issue raised to our newsroom via:- news24@southportreporter.com and also let us know if you have any information regarding these signs that could help clarify matters for our readers.

News Report Page Quick Flick.

Click on here to go back to this week's home page! News Report Page Quick Flick
Click on this section to see last weeks edition of Southport and Mersey Reporter!

Our radio station phone in message line...   Call us now!

Sign up today for our daily email news service!

Sign up to our Daily Email News Service by clicking here now...

QLocal a for you. Did you know we where the UK's first online only newspaper and we still are?  Here at Southport and Mersey Reporter  we are still at  leading the way for local news.

All email addresses and information is held under the UK's Data Protection Act.

 
Highlighted events that are taking place this month:-

If you have an event and want to get it noticed, let us know by emailing us to:- news24@merseyreporter.com

Click on the event title displayed above to find out about lots more events, as well as dates & times!

Our websites in our online series.   Group navigation, information and useful none group links...
Southport TV - Our online video archive. Liverpool Reporter - Our online music station. Mersey Reporter - OUR HUB WEBSITE.
Southport TV Liverpool Reporter Mersey Reporter Formby Reporter

Add to Google

This is what the moon is doing tonight.  Click on to find out why.

See the view live webcamera images of the road outside our studio/newsroom in the hart of Southport.

Our live Southport Webcam.  To see click live, click on image.

SOUTHPORT CHAT

Show us your location
Please sign our map and let us know where you are  from....

.

News Room Phone Number

(+44)  08443 244 195
Calls will cost 7p per minute, plus your telephone company's access charge. 

Calls to this number may be recorded for security, broadcast, training and record keeping.

This online newspaper and information service is regulated by IMPRESS, the independent monitor for the UK's press.

How to make a complaint

Complaints Policy  -  Complaints Procedure  -  Whistle Blowing Policy

© PCBT Photography & PBT Media Relations Ltd. - Southport Reporter® is the Registered Trade Mark of Patrick Trollope